Legislature(2003 - 2004)

04/07/2003 01:33 PM Senate HES

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                SB 110-UNDER SCHOOL AGE STUDENTS                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRED DYSON announced SB 110 to be up for consideration.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. EDDY  JEANS, School Finance Manager,  Department of Education                                                               
and Early  Development, explained this legislation  would clarify                                                               
in  statute  the  ability of  school  districts  to  early-enroll                                                               
children who  are under  school age,  if they  are ready  for the                                                               
academics  that  are  being  provided to  them.  The  reason  the                                                               
department  asked for  this legislation  is that  it has  come to                                                               
their attention  that a number  of school districts in  the state                                                               
are  basically blanketly  enrolling  all four-year  olds in  what                                                               
they call  a two-year kindergarten  program. The  department does                                                               
not believe that  was the intent of this legislation  and that it                                                               
was intended  strictly to allow  the exceptional child to  get in                                                               
early. The  bill says the state's  intent is to provide  13 years                                                               
of funding for K-12, not 14 years of funding.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GRETCHEN GUESS asked if  this prohibits a school district                                                               
from having  a two-year  kindergarten if they  want to  use other                                                               
sources of funding.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS replied that it would  not. It just says they would not                                                               
be able to claim those kids for state foundation funding.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BETTYE DAVIS asked how much  this would save and how many                                                               
school districts  were doing  it. She asked  if the  children who                                                               
are  identified  as  needing  the  two years  would  be  able  to                                                               
continue.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JEANS  replied  the  department  believes  this  section  of                                                               
statute  was  intended  for the  exceptional  child  coming  into                                                               
kindergarten  at four-years  old and  advance to  first grade  at                                                               
five years  old as  opposed to coming  into kindergarten  at five                                                               
like   most  do.   Some  schools   have  instituted   a  two-year                                                               
kindergarten program, but he would argue that it's preschool.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DAVIS  repeated how many exceptional  students are there.                                                               
"Do you know the number?"                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS  replied that  their fiscal  note identifies  all four-                                                               
year olds  that were  claimed under  the foundation  formula this                                                               
year. There  is a savings  of $3.9  million. "We believe  some of                                                               
these children are  eligible to be early-enrolled,  but the exact                                                               
number  I could  not  tell  you. We  believe  it's  a very  small                                                               
number."                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
He  noted  that right  now  over  600  four-year olds  have  been                                                               
enrolled in school statewide.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DAVIS  asked if  he had asked  the districts  to identify                                                               
those children.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JEANS replied  that the  districts do  evaluations, but  the                                                               
standards have been set low enough  to allow any four year old to                                                               
enter  into  kindergarten. He  explained  that  the age  date  in                                                               
statute is August 15, so if a child  turns 5 on August 17, he can                                                               
be evaluated to determine if he is ready to enter kindergarten.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     We're trying  to address  an issue  that's come  to our                                                                    
     attention  since we  started  collecting student  level                                                                    
     data  and   we  can   identify  that  in   some  school                                                                    
     districts, the  population of four year  olds is almost                                                                    
     identical to  the population of  five year  olds, which                                                                    
     leads us to believe they are enrolling them all.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN  asked when  this first  surfaced as  a foundation                                                               
formula issue.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS  replied they  had been  collecting student  level data                                                               
for four  years. He heard  rumors of  it prior to  collecting the                                                               
data, but he couldn't verify it. He now has birth dates.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN  noted a  spreadsheet in  their packets  that show                                                               
five school districts account for  about $2.5 million of the $3.5                                                               
million in funding.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON said it was recommended that lines 11-13 be deleted.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS  replied that is correct.  It was a clerical  error and                                                               
the House  had already deleted  it from their bill.  He explained                                                               
that  the last  sentence says  a child  under school  age may  be                                                               
admitted  to first  grade or  higher,  if they  meet the  minimum                                                               
standards. This  would prevent that exceptional  child from being                                                               
able to enter kindergarten. He added  that this is not strictly a                                                               
foundation program  issue. "If we provide  foundation funding for                                                               
four-year olds,  then we have to  allow those kids to  be counted                                                               
for space. So, it also affects our facility site at the shop."                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GUESS said  she hoped that an under-age  school child was                                                               
defined somewhere.  Are they just  talking about  kindergarten to                                                               
first grade?  She wanted  to make sure  there were  no unintended                                                               
consequences at any other grade levels.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JEANS replied  that was  right. It  is not  their intent  to                                                               
prevent children who  need to be held back from  being held back.                                                               
The funding is based on 13 years of schooling.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JOHN  DAVIS, Superintendent  of  the  Bering Straits  School                                                               
District,  opposed SB  110. He  said it  represents an  effort to                                                               
control state  spending, but he  is concerned that it  would only                                                               
save money in  the short term. This service is  being provided to                                                               
children  who are  among the  most  vulnerable and  educationally                                                               
needy. However, the  reduction in funding for  this program would                                                               
not create  the $3.5 million  represented. He contended  that the                                                               
bill  would  cost the  district  and  state additional  funds  in                                                               
remedial  services  and  other special  services  to  help  those                                                               
students who will  need any help they can get  in the future, but                                                               
that  in his  district  that would  not be  a  large number.  The                                                               
Bering Straits  School District has participated  in this program                                                               
for the last 13 years and he contends  this is not a new issue to                                                               
the department.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SUPERINTENDENT DAVIS said  that they had heard  that this program                                                               
is intended  for only 13 years,  but students who do  not qualify                                                               
for  a diploma  through a  high  school qualifying  exam will  be                                                               
eligible  for yet  another year  of school  and possibly  two. He                                                               
would like  to continue  this program to  see that  students have                                                               
this effort  early and the  expectation of passing the  exam will                                                               
be more likely.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DYSON asked  how many  students  he has  enrolled in  this                                                               
category.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SUPERINTENDENT DAVIS replied  that he has 100  children per class                                                               
in  his  school  district  and this  category  has  90  students.                                                               
District wide there is a student count of 1,800.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BRUCE JOHNSON,  Association  of Alaska  School Boards,  drew                                                               
their attention to the governor's  investment plan as he outlined                                                               
his  budget. One  of the  categories  under the  mission for  the                                                               
Department  of  Education  and   Early  Development  states  high                                                               
quality early care  and education programs that  improve the well                                                               
being of young children. Their  contention is that the statute as                                                               
it currently exists  allows for that early  intervention into the                                                               
lives of four-year  olds who often reside in  poor, remote, rural                                                               
areas of our state. The notion  is that the state begins to serve                                                               
those kids  as a  preventative action. A  study conducted  by the                                                               
Economic  Policy Institute  talks  about equity  at the  starting                                                               
gate regarding  social background and differences  in achievement                                                               
as  children begin  school. This  study  validates that  children                                                               
enter school with wide achievement  disparities and that children                                                               
in the highest socio-economic groups  scored 60 percent higher in                                                               
mathematics and  reading as  compared to  children in  the lowest                                                               
categories.  These   findings  have  helped  support   what  many                                                               
educators have known for years  - the achievement gap begins long                                                               
before children enter school.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON stated that he  personally didn't see any correlation                                                               
between  economic standards  and school  success. He  thought the                                                               
social  and  cultural  values  of   a  family  make  the  biggest                                                               
difference.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN  asked if  they didn't do  anything about  SB 110,                                                               
would  the Fairbanks  North Star  Borough  be able  to count  all                                                               
four-year olds as kindergarteners.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS replied that is what  could happen this issue is before                                                               
the Legislature  now to  get some clarity  on application  of the                                                               
statute.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN said  this looks truly like a policy  call that is                                                               
driven by the finances.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON asked Mr. Jeans if  he need legislation to be able to                                                               
regulate the qualification standards.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS answered that local  school districts set the standards                                                               
by department  regulation. A number of  different instruments can                                                               
be  used  to  assess  whether  or   not  a  child  is  ready  for                                                               
kindergarten or  first grade and  the department did not  feel it                                                               
could  say which  particular assessment  everyone should  use. He                                                               
felt  that  regulation basically  had  no  effect. He  said  this                                                               
legislation would go a long way to cure the problem.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GREEN  moved on  page 1,  to delete  language on  line 12                                                               
beginning  with  "a  child"  through   line  13.  There  were  no                                                               
objections and it was so ordered.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  DAVIS  said  she needed  some  clarification.  She  said                                                               
people in  those five school  districts whom she has  talked with                                                               
say  those  children need  more  time.  They  are not  coming  in                                                               
because  they're exceptional,  but  because they  will need  more                                                               
than kindergarten in order to move  into the first grade and they                                                               
want  to start  with  them as  early as  they  can. That  service                                                               
should  be  provided  to  those  that  need  it,  like  with  the                                                               
Headstart program.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GREEN  said it  would be interesting  to compare  the two                                                               
programs in Finance.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  DAVIS said  that Headstart  was not  necessarily in  the                                                               
five districts that are using this program.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
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SENATOR DAVIS said  that some of districts  might have Headstart,                                                               
but that  some kids from every  district need more than  13 years                                                               
to get  through school.  Some kids are  kept in  kindergarten and                                                               
some are held  back in first grade. She said  this bill hurts the                                                               
kids who need it the most.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS agreed  with many of the things she  said, but they are                                                               
talking  about a  policy  call of  whether or  not  the State  of                                                               
Alaska wants to provide preschool  funding through the foundation                                                               
program.  Many districts  would  enroll four  year  olds if  they                                                               
thought they  were going to get  state funding for them.  Many of                                                               
the districts  on the list  generate impact aid funding.  If they                                                               
operate  a  preschool program,  they  will  continue to  generate                                                               
impact  aid  funding, which  the  state  will  not count  in  the                                                               
foundation program.  The districts  would be  able to  retain 100                                                               
percent of  that funding and  continue to support  their program.                                                               
It's a fairness question. If some can  do it, all have to be able                                                               
to do it.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN moved  to pass CSSB 110 (HES)  from committee with                                                               
individual recommendations  and attached fiscal note.  There were                                                               
no objections and it was so ordered.                                                                                            

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